Friday, June 08, 2007
Immigration
Today the Immigration bill was dealt a devastating blow, It was all but destroyed. The bill barely mustered any support. So what is the problem? I will tell you right now that coming into another country and using it's resources without being a citizen is somewhat wrong. I say somewhat because I understand why they come here. It is completely understandable. What gets me is the protest to people being put out. If you know that you are here illegally why would you think that you deserve to stay. If you have to sneak in then you aren't supposed to be there. Don't get me wrong I am all for them becomeing citizen that is the soul of this country immigration. I also think that the way that they are treated is wrong. The conservatives in this country what to make the illegals out to be monsters without souls or something. It is wrong the way that they are treated. So why do we in America have this superiority complex? Americans feel that they are the top dogs and no one else matters, at least that is how it appears to me. Americans are caring, but they tend to not see it from the other side if it affects them in any sizeable way. Maybe being the only superpower left has fed to it. In my Political Science class my professor said that at childhood we are endoctored to believe america is perfect, and when you say something opposing that people get angry. This was proven when we discussed the constitution and he told us that the constitiution did not prepare for certain situations, and that it was not perfect.Him and another student got into a heated discussion about america. I don't know what it is, bit I know that being an American does not give you the right to look down on others or treat them less than humanly.
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In the whole debate over immigration, there's something that often gets overlooked. The major problem isn't that people want to come here. The problem is that people are being driven out because of the depressed economics of their home country, a result of foreign ownership over indiginous resources (which now, unfortunately, includes rainwater). The "immigration problem" isn't really an immigration problem so much as it is a colonialization problem.
All things being equal, most people would rather live at peace and prosperity at home, not at some distant hostile place where the people, the customs and the language are alien. The US is not alone in its immigration patterns either. But given the ubiquity of American media, and its depiction of opulent lifestyles (especially in comparrison with other countries), it makes sense that US is an easy target.
I tend to agree with you even I live thousands of miles away from you.
I am not an American either, but basically, I think everyone will feel their livelihood be somewhat threatened when there are illegal immigrants.
Without work to survive, they will resort to stealing and prostitution among other unfortunate things.
Unfortunately, when they do find work, there are others who take advantage of these desperate people by "enslaving" them by their inhumane will.
Illegals will create more trouble than good, but if the government has the resource to hand-pick the talented ones, the honest ones that can do more good to the society and country, then all is not lost for these desperate people, neither to the citizens at large.
Because I work with a majority of Mexicans, I only read the first few sentences of your post. I did this because we live in a land that was founded on immigration. But back then they were Irish and Italian, or European, but most importantly WHITE. The mexican is the new nigger for amerikka. Blacks are not the blacks we used to be, we have really lost our way. We as black people can learn a lot from the mexican. They are a close knit people. I hope and pray that black people and the mexican can join forces and rule amerikka.
C-Dell:
You know by reading my posts, that I am glad this bill is almost dead.
I am not going to go into all the details, but to allow 40 million people here, just because one feels empathy for them is not how this once great nation was built. We are a nation of legal immigrants and laws. We have laws that almost everyone needs to follow. I say almost because if you are rich and powerful these laws seem to have their own set of rules.
Our economy is strained and cannot handle another 40 million uneducated, non-English speaking or reading people.
We are losing about 100 billion or more each year in services to these people in medical costs, higher medical bills, higher insurance costs (medical, auto, home), local, state, and federal taxes, and in many other ways like litigation.
I have posted on this subject many times and have read this “new bill” SB1348. I encourage all to read it. Those on the left did not support this bill for their own reasons, and those on the right that did not support this bill for many reasons.
The current crap being touted is: if you do not support this bill then you are a racist. This is stupidity at its best and is the standard way some use to shut down debate, dialog, and ideas.
We can do better. If these leaders cannot it is time to replace them.
As for the U.S.A being a superpower. I believe we are no longer one. We are a joke around the world and have been since the early 90’s; some even say the 70’s.
I do not believe that the American people think we are better than the rest of the world. If we did, we would not have this immigration problem. I believe we have a low self-esteem problem. We are so concerned how the rest of the world perceives us, that we are willing to lose our identity just to prove how “great of a nation we are”.
I realize this is what is being preached to you in your classes. Take an objective and hard look around you, around this nation, and the world. Broaden your reading to other points of views, and you will see that what is being preached to you from the pulpit of Scholarly learning, is not the entire truth, and in some rare cases, truth at all.
Just my opinion. Take care brother
-T
Okay. This one gets me madder than mad because most of my professional life has been spent working for the interests of immigrants. The hypocrisy of this country is staggering. I have to calm down before I write a rational comment.
Also, there is an accord between Mexico and the US in which the Mexican economy allows for emigration to the States.
I don't see what gives some Americans whose ancestors were immigrants the right to say we can come in but you can't. Having said that, though, I wish more immigrants would/could use legal methods to get here.
The meanness that some Americans have toward immigrants seems like the same paranoid "us versus them" mentality that causes black/white hostility in some places. And it's simply not true that immigrants just want to drain the system and not work. They bust their butts at whatever crappy jobs they can find - jobs that most citizens would consider beneath them or too hard. Nobody can quote some skewed statistics to try to convince me otherwise, because living in Southern California, I see it every day with my own eyes.
Our leaders want it all (free trade, low prices, low wages) but aren't willing to open up and be part of the rest of the world. We'll gladly try to pass a bill allowing illegals to work here but just not be full citizens. So, pretty much keep things as they are but just have it be actual law. These people want a better life and if they were made legitimate citizens, there would be less wage disparity in this country and there would be such a huge separation of classes. It's a fine line but you can't have it both ways.
"Draining the system" is a fake issue. In California the only Welfare type item for which illegals are eligible is emergency medical care. I'm thinking that's pretty much the way it works in most states. If they were allowed to work here legally, they would also pay taxes and possibly even have health benefits through their employer.
What gets me is the phrase "Jobs Americans aren't willing to do." I recently learned that construction trades, like roofing, are now jobs Americans aren't willing to do.
I think Americans are willing to do work, but are being cheaped out. I can remember when being a roofer was a good job.
America was built on cheap immigrant labor. But, if America is never to grow out of that, it's because the American working class can never overcome the influence of the American wealthy industrialist.
Unions elevated the working class to create a "middle class," but the middle class has been assaulted to outsource and illegal immigrant-ville under the last twenty years of republicrat rule.
Democrat used to mean working class hero, but now it's anti-bush health nazi. Who speaks for the working man?
America is becoming the upper-management of the world. This is great in the short-term, for the suit-wearing paper-pushers, but basic economic law is the exchange of things for money. If America continues to shed the manufacture of things, it will become a house of cards, built on middle-man services that are dispensible. Laws can demand insurance to drive, a license for crossing the street, but without the trade of things to provide the backbone of it all it will collapse.
If what can't be outsourced is insourced to outsourced labor, (illegal immigrants), the average American has no value.
If the average American has served his country as his country calls as the epitome of nobility, as a soldier, and comes home to have to compete with insourced labor then something is way wrong.
America needs to respect Americans by moving back to a manufacturing nation, making products the world wants to buy. To enforce copyright and patents in the world, not ideological BS. To support minimum wages, provide health care, and basic needs like shelter and food to citizens. That we have homeless, hungry, and unattended sick makes: "USA, #23!"
Sorry for the rant, but Hey C-Dell! Long time!
-kb
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